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10-11-2006, 15:01 zl1001 加入本站時間： 12-20-2005 文章數：437 ■趙紫龍■:亂台紅軍哪有100及150萬,可能僅10萬而已 http://www.wpoforum.com/viewtopic.php?fid=1&tid=19533#comments 世界民意網 >> 世界民意論坛 前一主題 【解體党文化】之四：被改造思想後人們的表現(上)       後一主題 林保華(淩鋒)由中國人變台灣人 【趙紫龍】: 亂台紅軍哪有100及150萬,可能僅10萬而已 紅軍煽情吹過頭 2006-10-11 08:49:00 阅讀：101次 评論：5 發表评論 查看所有评論 發表新主題 發表於: 星期二 十月 10, 2006 10:51 pm 文章主題: 趙紫龍: 亂台紅軍哪有100及150萬﹐可能僅10萬而已 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.wpoforum.com/viewtopic.php?fid=1&tid=19533 趙紫龍: 亂台紅軍哪有100及150萬,僅10萬而已 Updated on : 2006-10-11 08:49:00 阅讀：23次 评論：4 外國媒體對示威人數估計與主辦單位及台灣統媒報導人數差別極大。 ■9月9日首日遊行統計人數﹕35萬人(中華日報)﹔30萬人(倒扁總部﹐ 中天新聞及聯合報)﹔9萬人（台北市警察局）﹔8~9萬人（日本NHK、朝日新聞、讀賣新聞）﹔ 3~5萬人（ 美國CNN及法國路透社）﹔ 數萬（英國廣播公司BBC﹐ 美國美聯社AP&美國華盛頓郵報）。 ■9月15日『圍城之夜』人數﹕突破100萬(倒扁總部)﹔36萬(台北市警察局)﹔30萬(法國媒體AFP)﹔超過10萬（美聯社AP） ■9月16日挺扁人數﹕25萬(主辦單位)﹔10萬(法國AFP) ﹔6萬(台北市警察局) ■10月10日『天下圍攻』人數﹕施明德號召200萬人﹐衝破150萬(倒扁總部﹐世界日報,東森新聞)﹔12萬4千人(台北市警察局)﹔超過10萬人(路透社及美國紐約時報) 《如外國第三者的估計是對的話﹐『圍城之夜』人數灌水近10倍,『天下圍攻』更偉大近15倍﹐而綠營916挺扁大會人數﹐灌水2.5倍。但﹐如台北市警方數字可信的話﹐此『百萬人反貪腐運動』集會人數﹐頂多達36萬從未接近『百萬』﹐而灌水率為﹕『圍城之夜』2.8倍﹐『天下圍攻』12.1倍﹐916挺扁大會4.2倍》 (10/19/06 updated) ********************************************** 民主好過威權&威權好過獨裁。相信民主，支持民主！ (please visit our website www.wpoforum.com) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- *********** 9/9/2006 *********** 百萬人民倒扁運動 維基百科，自由的百科全書 首日靜坐人數隨各報章媒體及政府機關，而有相當的數據落差。台北市警察局認為有9萬餘人" src="/emoticons/emotion-29.gif">。倒扁總部、中天新聞、聯合報則認為有30萬人[9][10][11]。日本NHK、朝日新聞、讀賣新聞的報導稱8~9萬人[12]。美國CNN及法國路透社報導稱3~5萬人[13]。許多國際媒體對此活動加以報導，其中美國CNN報導數萬名臺灣群眾上街要求總統下台，並提及人數落差[14]。 [13] Huge rally against Taiwan's Chen - 2006年9月9日（GMT） CNN.com（英文）++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/5329816.stm 英國廣播公司BBC Last Updated: Saturday, 9 September 2006, 10:30 GMT 11:30 UK "Taiwan leader faces mass protest" Tens of thousands (譯﹕數萬)of people have been demonstrating in Taiwan to demand the resignation of President Chen Shui-bian over corruption allegations. *************************************** "Thousands of Protesters Call on Taiwan's President to Step Down" The New York Times TAIPEI, Taiwan, Sept. 9 (Reuters) - Tens of thousands (譯﹕數萬)of people opposed to Taiwan's president, Chen Shui-bian, took to the streets on Saturday in response to calls for weeklong demonstrations aimed at unseating him. Before the rally, one of the largest, a steady flow of people streamed in during the day to the site in front of the... ******************************************************************************* *********** [9/15/2006 ************* Over 100,000 protesters march to demand Taiwan’s president resign By Associated Pres Friday, September 15, 2006 - Updated: 08:01 AM EST TAIPEI, Taiwan - More than 100,000 chanting protesters marched through downtown Taipei on Friday, trying to pressure Taiwanese President Chen Shui-bian to resign over a series of corruption scandals. 自由時報10/16/06 \台北市警察局今日淩晨零時召開記者會，公佈昨晚十點截止遊行總人數共三十六萬人，是繼兩年前三一三、三二七之後，台北市規模第三的遊行活動。 *********** 9/16/2006 ************* Taiwan president's supporters rally CNN Adjust font size: TAIPEI, Taiwan (AP) -- Tens of thousands of supporters of President Chen Shui-bian rallied in downtown Taipei on Saturday, a day after his opponents marched en masse to pressure the Taiwanese leader to resign over a series of alleged corruption scandals. Police estimated about 60,000 people showed up for the pro-Chen event, but organizers said 150,000 people attended. ************************** Saturday September 16, 11:19 AM AFP Chen supporters counter-attack in Taiwan Tens of thousands of supporters of Taiwan's President Chen Shui-bian are set to march in Taipei in a show of strength just one day after 300,000 people angrily called for his resignation. Chen's ruling Democratic Progressive Party (DPP), keen to counter-attack after Friday's mass rally against the embattled independence-minded leader, issued an emergency order to mobilize party members nationwide. That call lifted projected turnout to as many as 100,000 -- more than double the 40,000 people the Taiwan Society, a pro-government group that organized Saturday's event, was expecting to see in the streets of Taipei. ************ 10/10/2006 ************** Taiwan president says he wants clean politics as demonstrators protest speech By PETER ENAV Associated Press Writer (AP) - TAIPEI, Taiwan-President Chen Shui-bian called for unity Tuesday as an opposition lawmaker scuffled with security guards while trying to confront the Taiwanese leader during a National Day speech. Chen spoke as tens of thousands (譯﹕數萬)of red-clad protesters gathered in the broad boulevard outside the Presidential Office building, demanding that he step down over a series of alleged corruption scandals. ...........(中略) Police estimated 125,000 protesters took part in a march in the area around the Presidential Office building during Chen's speech, while organizers said they had mobilized more than 1.5 million people. ********************************************* Taiwan president slams ouster bill amid protests By Ralph Jennings Tue Oct 10, 6:06 AM ET TAIPEI (Reuters) - Taiwan President Chen Shui-bian slammed a legislative proposal that seeks to oust him from power as tens of thousands took to the streets on Tuesday calling on him to step down over allegations of graft. ......... As Chen spoke, a crowd that reached more than 100,000 people at its height, organized by former ruling party chairman Shih Ming-teh, gathered outside the presidential offices to call for his ouster. ***************************************************** _________________ 所有评論(共5條) 2006-10-19 13:21:27 假大空台灣版,哈哈﹗ 發表评論 假大空－－台灣版﹐哈哈﹗台灣居然也有“媒體煽動之亂”﹐如大躍進及文革前兩報一刊﹐帶起全國媒體的鋪天蓋地煽動﹐讓億萬人民隨指揮棒心甘情願地瘋狂。還好台灣人沒上當。原來舉國上街要扁下臺﹐是吹出來的。10萬吹成150萬﹐令我想到58年“衛星田”畝產13萬斤。 台灣心懷祖國的愛國媒體同志們﹐不妨來北京受個訓﹐要吹就要吹過ＴＭＤ癮﹐不能老小鼻小眼。不妨在人數上加個零﹐說有1,500萬人民憤怒地走上街頭﹐保證嚇蹦了陳水扁﹐於是祖國統一大業就快了。 2006-10-12 10:57:03 數萬 發表评論 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/5329816.stm 英國廣播公司BBC Last Updated: Saturday, 9 September 2006, 10:30 GMT 11:30 UK "Taiwan leader faces mass protest" Tens of thousands (譯﹕數萬)of people have been demonstrating in Taiwan to demand the resignation of President Chen Shui-bian over corruption allegations. *************************************** "Thousands of Protesters Call on Taiwan's President to Step Down" The New York Times TAIPEI, Taiwan, Sept. 9 (Reuters) - Tens of thousands (譯﹕數萬)of people opposed to Taiwan's president, Chen Shui-bian, took to the streets on Saturday in response to calls for weeklong demonstrations aimed at unseating him. Before the rally, one of the largest, a steady flow of people streamed in during the day to the site in front of the... *************************** 2006-10-11 20:20:23 一場族群戰爭泛藍外省為主? 發表评論 天下圍攻攻倒誰 以反貪腐為口號的「天下圍攻」，在台北市長馬英九與倒扁陣營共謀下，族群認同利益高於法治、政治立場優先於民主，成為一場沒贏家的族群戰爭，也為倒扁運動唱起輓歌！ 在族群意識掛帥之下，倒扁陣營媒體、名嘴、學者、政客合謀炒作，企圖以新公民運動、紅衫兒滿月等，包裝、偽飾其意識形態鬥爭及政治奪權意圖。這種政客太不負責，這種媒體太不道德，這種名嘴、學者太沒廉恥！ 就如哲學家班雅明的話，將暴力美學化，是法西斯最顯著的特徵之一，倒扁媒體用盡心機打造一個虛假英雄施明德，還披著偽道德的反貪腐美麗外衣，掩飾族群鬥爭企圖，但隨著倒扁運動激化，可以發現倒扁運動生出的「紅衫兒」，竟是帶著族群優越感及新法西斯主義的雙重邪惡基因！ 施明德號召紅軍在雙十國慶日發動「天下圍攻」，在馬英九棄守法律的縱容下，肆無忌憚橫行台北街頭，但是，只要看紅衫軍以特定族群為主力，副總指揮群幾清一色泛藍外省第二代，群眾濃烈的「中國風」，還奢言什麼跨族群、跨黨派？ 倒扁運動已為「紅與非紅」劃下一條省籍族群對立的新鴻溝，激情的倒扁紅軍自認穿紅衫上街頭倒扁不必守法是「榮譽」，但愈來愈多本土人士，在無法無天的天下圍攻後，對紅衫軍囂張行徑，怨憤高漲，政治紅衫象徵的早已是「恥辱」。 倒扁群眾無視國民黨黨國結構性貪腐，因其中很多本是黨國結構的既得利益者及第二代，反貪腐運動原動力來自族群意識濃烈媒體的族群動員，但天下圍攻的濃烈族群色彩，也為倒扁運動唱了輓歌，逐漸走入族群主義的死胡同中！（作者胡文輝，資深新聞工作者） 2006-10-11 19:52:23 東森新聞: 12萬4千人 發表评論 天下圍攻／紅潮人幾多？ 警方：台北車站下午只剩4萬人 2006-10-10 16:41／政治中心／綜合報導 反貪腐倒扁活動在10日國慶日正式發起「天下圍攻」計劃，總指揮施明德信誓旦旦要發動2百萬人一起包圍總統府，不過實際上街的人數，依照台北市政府警察局最新的，到下午4時為止，在台北車站前交七廣場聚集的群眾人數大約將近4萬人。 警方表示，在中午12時國慶慶典結束時，人數達到最大值，估計大約有12萬4千人參與，不過到下午4時為止，依照估算，台北車站交七廣場周邊的「紅衫軍」人數大幅下降，只剩下大概將近4萬人左右。 警方表示，對於人數的落差，是因為新一波估計人數的基礎，僅限在台北車站前交七廣場這塊區域，不包括捷運地下街與散布在封鎖線周邊街道上的人數；交七廣場在扣除地上物、通風口、水池之後，以1平方公尺3人來計算，人數就在3萬6千人到4萬人之間。 新聞來源：東森新聞報 更多東森政治新聞 »    問題回報

10-13-2006, 5:06 zl1001 加入本站時間： 12-20-2005 文章數：437 Re: ■趙紫龍■:亂台紅軍哪有100及150萬,僅10萬而已 發表於: 星期三 十月 11, 2006 8:26 pm    文章主題:   ***********  9/9/2006 *********** 百萬人民倒扁運動 維基百科，自由的百科全書 首日靜坐人數隨各報章媒體及政府機關，而有相當的數據落差。台北市警察局認為有9萬餘人。倒扁總部、中天新聞、聯合報則認為有30萬人[9][10][11]。日本NHK、朝日新聞、讀賣新聞的報導稱8~9萬人[12]。美國CNN及法國路透社報導稱3~5萬人[13]。許多國際媒體對此活動加以報導，其中美國CNN報導數萬名臺灣群眾上街要求總統下台，並提及人數落差[14]。 [13] Huge rally against Taiwan's Chen - 2006年9月9日（GMT） CNN.com（英文）++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/5329816.stm 英國廣播公司BBC Last Updated: Saturday, 9 September 2006, 10:30 GMT 11:30 UK "Taiwan leader faces mass protest" Tens of thousands (譯﹕數萬)of people have been demonstrating in Taiwan to demand the resignation of President Chen Shui-bian over corruption allegations. *************************************** "Thousands of Protesters Call on Taiwan's President to Step Down" The New York Times TAIPEI, Taiwan, Sept. 9 (Reuters) - Tens of thousands (譯﹕數萬)of people opposed to Taiwan's president, Chen Shui-bian, took to the streets on Saturday in response to calls for weeklong demonstrations aimed at unseating him. Before the rally, one of the largest, a steady flow of people streamed in during the day to the site in front of the... ***************************************************************************************** *********** 9/15/2006 *************   Over 100,000 protesters march to demand Taiwan’s president resign  By Associated Pres Friday, September 15, 2006 - Updated: 08:01 AM EST   TAIPEI, Taiwan - More than 100,000 chanting protesters marched through downtown Taipei on Friday, trying to pressure Taiwanese President Chen Shui-bian to resign over a series of corruption scandals.   自由時報10/16/06 \台北市警察局今日凌晨零時召開記者會，公佈昨晚十點截止遊行總人數共三十六萬人，是繼兩年前三一三、三二七之後，台北市規模第三的遊行活動。 *********** 9/16/2006 ************* Taiwan president's supporters rally CNN Adjust font size: TAIPEI, Taiwan (AP) -- Tens of thousands of supporters of President Chen Shui-bian rallied in downtown Taipei on Saturday, a day after his opponents marched en masse to pressure the Taiwanese leader to resign over a series of alleged corruption scandals. Police estimated about 60,000 people showed up for the pro-Chen event, but organizers said 150,000 people attended. ************************** Saturday September 16, 11:19 AM Chen supporters counter-attack in Taiwan ADVERTISEMENT if(window.yzq_d==null)window.yzq_d=new Object(); window.yzq_d['iDUtQ8tU0U8-']='&U=13aa3640b%2fN%3diDUtQ8tU0U8-%2fC%3d551952.9290795.10071982.2013436%2fD%3dLREC%2fB%3d3993546'; AFP  Photo Tens of thousands of supporters of Taiwan's President Chen Shui-bian are set to march in Taipei in a show of strength just one day after 300,000 people angrily called for his resignation. The rally outside the offices of Chen -- who has been dogged for months by allegations of corruption both in his administration and within his own family -- was due to begin at 3:00 pm (0700 GMT), organizers said. Chen's ruling Democratic Progressive Party (DPP), keen to counter-attack after Friday's mass rally against the embattled independence-minded leader, issued an emergency order to mobilize party members nationwide. That call lifted projected turnout to as many as 100,000 -- more than double the 40,000 people the Taiwan Society, a pro-government group that organized Saturday's event, was expecting to see in the streets of Taipei. ************  10/10/2006 ************** Taiwan president says he wants clean politics as demonstrators protest speech By PETER ENAV Associated Press Writer (AP) - TAIPEI, Taiwan-President Chen Shui-bian called for unity Tuesday as an opposition lawmaker scuffled with security guards while trying to confront the Taiwanese leader during a National Day speech. Chen spoke as tens of thousands  (譯﹕數萬)of red-clad protesters gathered in the broad boulevard outside the Presidential Office building, demanding that he step down over a series of alleged corruption scandals. ...........(中略)  Police estimated 125,000 protesters took part in a march in the area around the Presidential Office building during Chen's speech, while organizers said they had mobilized more than 1.5 million people. ********************************************* Taiwan president slams ouster bill amid protests By Ralph Jennings Tue Oct 10, 6:06 AM ET TAIPEI (Reuters) - Taiwan President Chen Shui-bian slammed a legislative proposal that seeks to oust him from power as tens of thousands took to the streets on Tuesday calling on him to step down over allegations of graft. ......... As Chen spoke, a crowd that reached more than 100,000 people at its height, organized by former ruling party chairman Shih Ming-teh, gathered outside the presidential offices to call for his ouster. *****************************************************      問題回報

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